Welcome to Sustain WP, a limited podcast series about digital sustainability and WordPress. I'm your host Nahuai Badiola and in this episode I will be talking about what we can do to make WordPress more sustainable with 8 amazing guests. In the previous episodes we introduced the 3 pillars of sustainability and in this episode we will use these lenses to explore what we can do better on WordPress, specifically in the CMS and community, since in the next episode we will talk about events. This has been the most challenging episode to edit, by far. There were to many good ideas from a lot of people, but I didn't want to make an episode too long and I wanted to have a balance between the 3 pillars. I manage to keep the episode a bit over an hour, maintaining the essence of all the ideas. I hope that sounds reasonable to you and your podcast listening schedule. Luckily all the guests were already introduced on previous episodes so I'll just mention their name. Remember that you can see more info about them in the show notes. Environmental I start asking about how we could improve the environmental sustainability. Juan Hernando says that every byte counts and it's important to raise awareness about it. Nora Ferreirós would like to see guidelines, even rules, to help designers and developers to create more sustainable websites. In other hand, Birgit Olzem would like to see improvements in the CMS performance so we can save energy both at server-side and in end-user devices. Tom Greenwood mentions that it's not easy to balance between simplicity and flexibility or to improve code taking into account the backward compatibility. He also thinks that there are some things in the CMS that could potentially be removed and add some improvements on caching.  Since the performance team has been going a great work improving cache (specially in the last 3 major releases) I asked Adam Silverstein about some of the cool things the team has done to improve the CMS. Then I asked him about the improvements on block themes performance. Continuing with ideas that could improve WordPress sustainability, Tim Frick suggest to use W3C guidelines to create some kind of guide inside the CMS (or as a plugin) to raise awareness. Social and economic Continuing with Tim, but switching to the social part, when I asked him what we could improve in social sustainability he mentioned how there is always room to improve accessibility. He also talked about inclusive language and privacy guidelines for plugin and theme authors. In other hand, Tom Greenwood highlights how WordPress it's doing some things quite well in several areas but may be it could use a revamp on the backend to be more intuitive.  Talking about how we could improve the social part I asked Birgit Olzem about the WordPress DEIB working group.  Then I ask her about what we could improve and we talk about the 3 funding methods for contributors that exist right now. In the conversation with Birgit we mentioned the WP Community Collective. To give you a better context on how (and why) was created and what it is you can now hear Courtney Robertson, one of the cofounders.  In this direction Nora Ferreirós talk about the possibility to pay freelance for specific tasks and the benefits she see on of having an alternative like WP Community Collective as complement to five for the future program.   Another of the funding methods we mentioned before is five for the future, so I asked Hari Shanker to explain what it is and how we could improve it. Continuing talking about companies Juan Hernando suggest we communicate better the big impact that could make sponsoring a contributor. He also realizes that it's also important to to display the results, measuring somehow the impact. That brought us to talk about the metrics dashboard proposal. In the episode 3, Courtney Robertson already gave an overview about the dashboard pr