Ever catch yourself feeling totally depleted after a workday—even when you’re “doing everything right”? Those sessions where every client’s energy feels like it seeps into your bones, or you notice your own armor coming up before you even hit the table with someone. In this episode, Gretchen sits down with Tracy Windmill to get honest about what’s really happening in the room: the constant push-pull of nervous system patterns, both ours and our clients’. Gretchen shares her own experience with burnout (remember the fibromyalgia, the quick snacks between sessions, and the “wait, am I even in my own body right now?” moments), and digs into how sneaky protective patterns—like the good old turtle shell—show up in massage work. Click HERE for your FREE Mindset Shift hypnotherapy session with Gretchen! The most useful takeaway? Getting curious about your own state before a session and having rock-solid, realistic tools (hello, 2-minute vagal nerve resets in the car, yoga in weird hotel rooms, and non-negotiable “sharpen the saw” routines). Tracy’s grounded perspective on nervous system attunement and body-mind fitness is pure gold if you’ve ever wondered how the heck to keep doing this job without burning out—or losing yourself in other people’s pain. This conversation won’t sugarcoat the challenges, but it will leave you with fresh permission to put your own needs first, and some genuinely practical ways to make that happen. Explore more of Tracey’s work at The Art of Transformational Touch.  Affiliate Links:  Swanwick Glasses: Scientifically tested and proven to improve your sleep. InHarmony Meditation Mats: Use code NEURO5 for 5% off! Global Cupping: Use code NEURO for 20% off your first order! Get your FREE Mindset Shift hypnotherapy session with Gretchen HERE!   If you’ve got a story, skill, or insight you think would help other bodyworkers, we’d love to hear from you — click here to apply to be a guest on the Sustainable Bodyworker Podcast.