This week on the ABR Podcast, Marilyn Lake reviews After America: Australia and the new world order by Emma Shortis and Hard New World: Our post-American future (Quarterly Essay 98) by Hugh White. Lake observes that both ‘authors argue that it is time to imagine a post-American world’ and emphasise ‘the necessity of retrieving our relationship with China’. Lake applauds these authors for their ‘specifically Australian perspective and vantage point’ and conclusion that ‘Australia find its security not from Asia but in Asia’. Marilyn Lake is an Honorary Professorial Fellow at the University of Melbourne. Her most recent book is Progressive New World: How settler colonialism and TransPacific exchange shaped American reform (Harvard University Press, 2019). Here is Marilyn Lake with ‘Dogged pursuit: Australia’s “America first” policy’, published in the August issue of ABR.