In this episode of the Ways of Knowing podcast, hosts Jamie Barnes and Will Hood explore the concept that there are multiple ways of knowing the same physical place. Jamie discusses his visit to Wakehurst gardens, the scientific endeavors taking place there, and considers the importance of phenomenology in understanding the experiences of different species. The conversation also delves into Charles Foster's unique approach to living as various animals, emphasizing the significance of curiosity and empathy in fostering a deeper connection with nature. Links: Nature Unlocked, the Landscape Ecology Programme at Wakehurst, which includes information about the living laboratory https://www.kew.org/wakehurst/nature-unlocked The IPBES report that Becca mentions about the different ways in which nature is valued https://www.ipbes.net/media_release/Values_Assessment_Published And the full report is here https://www.unep.org/resources/report/assessment-report-diverse-values-and-valuation-nature Jamie's Day with a tree https://prezi.com/view/j7matY4BjAxKJSYRQLf8/ Charles Foster's book, Being a Beast https://profilebooks.com/work/being-a-beast/ Thomas Nagel's seminal work What is it like to be a bat? https://www.jstor.org/stable/2183914?seq=1 Robin Wall Kimmerer's brilliant book, Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge, and the Teachings of Plants, where she weaves together three different ways of knowing the world https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/316088/braiding-sweetgrass-by-kimmerer- robin-wall/9780141991955 And Kimmerer's much shorter book, The Democracy of Species https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/443658/the- democracy-of-species-by-kimmerer-robin-wall/9780141997049 David Abram's The Spell of the Sensuous: Perception and Language in a More-Than-Human World resonates strongly with Charles Foster's ideas of a wild world within which we are already immersed (if we only knew it) https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/319/the-spell-of-the-sensuous-by-david-abram/ For an excellent introduction to the rich and varied sensory worlds of animals, see Ed Yong's An Immense World: How Animal Senses Reveal the Hidden Realms Around Us https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/440513/an-immense- world-by-yong-ed/9781529112115 We hope to press in to the idea of 'umwelt' that Yong introduces in a future episode.