Joe and Corey sit down with Jenna Griffith for a conversation about what leadership really looks like when a company is going through change. The consistent theme: clarity wins. If you don’t communicate clearly and often, people fill in the gaps on their own—and usually incorrectly.

They discuss how to handle internal agendas, why you start with customers when you’re trying to understand what's actually happening, and how AI is forcing every organization to rethink roles, expectations, and pace. The next generation is already adapting; the question is whether leaders are listening closely enough to keep up.

Whether you're leading a team or a large organization there is something to get from this episode of the Aperiam podcast.