Stephanie Sarazin's life has a clear line delineating before and after. One day she was happily married with three children, and the next she made a devastating discovery that her beloved marriage wasn't what she believed it to be. As she found her way through the pain of that discovery and subsequent divorce, Steph became a writer, an accidental grief researcher, a TEDx Curator, and ultimately, an experiential expert in ambiguous grief -- which is the term she uses to describe the challenge of grieving a loved one who is still alive. In this conversation, Steph describes our cultural discomfort with suffering, defines the way in which hope can act as a double agent, and draws a fascinating similarity between finding meaning and forgiveness.  Stephanie Sarazin, M.P.P., is the author of Soulbroken: A Guide for Your Journey Through Ambiguous Grief, a 2023 Nautilus Book Awards Gold Winner. She is a writer, researcher, and experiential expert in ambiguous grief who aims to support those grieving the lost of loved ones who are still living. As a Certified Grief Educator, Stephanie brings new resources to reframe disruptive, activating events as a gateway to discovering your highest self. Check out her work and other adventures at stephaniesarazin.com and follow her grief-and-joy journey on Instagram  @stephing_thru.