Psychology is increasingly a topic of interest to practitioners in organizational ethics, compliance, and culture (as it should be!). But do you know who we don’t hear from enough on the topic? Actual psychologists. Call it a “better way,” or just common sense, Zach and Hui decided to address that, by starting a conversation with noted clinical and organizational psychologist, May Chen. The conversation with Dr. Chen begins with a discussion of her curiosity-fueled professional journey. They cover her early career merging psychology and consumer marketing; her experience as an academic and researcher; and her work as a consultant, advising global companies on new additions to their executive ranks. Along the way, Dr. Chen offers insights about organizational culture; the importance of leading with empathy; the role of assessments; the difference between “ethics” and obedience; and why “diversity,” in all its forms, is critical to building a winning organization and team.