In this episode of the Biblical Anarchy Podcast, Jacob Winograd sits down with returning guest Kerry Baldwin to take on a question many Christians wrestle with: if people are sinful, doesn’t that mean we need the state? Drawing on Baldwin’s long-standing work on the plausibility of stateless civil governance, the two tackle this objection head-on and show why handing unchecked power to sinners creates even greater injustice.

Their conversation digs into John Locke’s classic arguments for monopolistic civil government (the State) and turns them on their head, showing how impartial judges, clear laws, and effective enforcement actually point toward a polycentric order rather than a state monopoly. Along the way, they revisit the biblical principle of sphere sovereignty, explore how justice works in practice without centralized control, and push back on the idea that the state is inevitable. The discussion closes with practical reflections for Christians and libertarians on how to live out these principles now—through entrepreneurship, grassroots action, and faith in Christ’s ultimate kingship.

Full Episode Notes at BiblicalAnarchyPodcast.com

The Biblical Anarchy Podcast is part of the Christians For Liberty Network, a project of the Libertarian Christian Institute.

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