Martin Sheen's work has been a joyful through-line in my life for the last three-plus decades. Today we talked about his must-listen new podcast called The Martin Sheen Podcast, get it wherever you get your podcasts. We also talked about The West Wing, the movie Gettysburg, and my absolute favorite movie from his filmography called The Way, written and directed by his son Emilio Estevez, about a grieving father who walks the Camino de Santiago pilgrimage trail in Spain. Thank you to his daughter, the amazing Renee Estevez, and a special thank you to both Kimberley Johnson and Jody Hamilton for making the connection. Meantime, make sure to support this podcast by subscribing at patreon.com/bobcescashow. Music by Leigh Thomas.