
What do UFOs, non-alcoholic wine, and Judah’s family scandal have in common? In this wide-ranging and lively episode, Pastors David Buchs and Joshua Reber are joined by Pastor Luke Otten (Holy Cross Lutheran Church & Christ the King Lutheran Church, Racine, WI) to tackle Genesis 38—one of the Bible’s most uncomfortable, misunderstood, and surprisingly Christ-centered chapters.
Along the way, the conversation moves from UFOs and Christian faith, to closed communion and pastoral discipline, to Onan, inheritance, and how God brings salvation through deeply broken people. Expect theological depth, pastoral honesty, and plenty of laughter as the hosts wrestle seriously with Scripture while refusing to sanitize it.
Key Discussion Points / Timestamps
• 00:00 – Welcome & banter: Dual parishes, Midwest Lutheranism, and taking things personally
• 02:30 – UFOs, UAPs, and Christianity: Would aliens threaten the faith?
• 06:00 – The state of the Synod: Worship practices, clergy, and discipline
• 11:30 – Closed communion: Pastoral responsibility and the care of consciences
• 16:00 – Bread, wine, and “natural wine”: What does Scripture actually require?
• 22:30 – Alcoholism, conscience, and the Lord’s Supper
• 35:45 – Genesis 38 overview: Judah, Tamar, and moral collapse
• 38:30 – “You reap what you sow”: Narrative justice in Genesis
• 44:00 – Levirate marriage: Inheritance, name, and messianic promise
• 52:00 – Onan and birth control: What this passage does—and doesn’t—teach
• 1:02:00 – Signet, cord, and staff: Christological symbols hiding in plain sight
• 1:06:30 – Grace in the genealogy: Why Tamar belongs in Matthew 1
About the Show
Formerly known as The CloudCast, this weekly theology podcast is hosted by Pastor David Buchs (Grace Lutheran Church, Little Rock, AR) and Pastor Joshua Reber (Faith Lutheran Church, St. Cloud, MN & Trinity Lutheran Church, Clear Lake, MN). Each episode walks through a chapter of Genesis, connecting Scripture to faith, culture, and pastoral life with clarity, honesty, and good humor.
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