During each episode, CECE Director Dana R. Fisher will host a panel of guest experts who will share their unique perspectives on the state of climate action, the path towards more effective climate solutions, and the role that the international regime—including the annual UN sponsored Conferences of the Parties (COPs)—can and should play in getting us where we need to go.
The first episode goes live on Sunday November 9th, 2025 at 3pm. You can watch the episode directly here, or access it via our YouTube Channel or on Apple Podcasts. Guaranteed to be as effective as #COP30 (without the carbon)!
During each episode, CECE Director Dana R. Fisher will host a panel of guest experts who will share their unique perspectives on the state of climate action, the path towards more effective climate solutions, and the role that the international regime—including the annual UN sponsored Conferences of the Parties (COPs)—can and should play in getting us where we need to go.
The first episode goes live on Sunday November 9th, 2025 at 3pm. You can watch the episode directly here, or access it via our YouTube Channel or on Apple Podcasts. Guaranteed to be as effective as #COP30 (without the carbon)!

In our fifth episode of the COPOut Podcast, Dr. Dana R. Fisher talks with two amazing climate communicators to unpack the significance of the outcome of the COP30 round of the climate negotiations.
Tune in to hear from Amy Westervelt from Drilled Media and Katharine Hayhoe from Texas Tech University and the Nature Conservancy as we discuss what are the consequences of the climate regime’s failure to include a phaseout of fossil fuels, how this failure may open the door to new opportunities for climate policymaking, and the overall utility of the climate regime at this point.