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The Counter Offer
Susanna Gray-Jones
61 episodes
2 weeks ago
The Business focused podcast to help you achieve clarity, improve your mindset and succeed in ways that you didn't even know possible. Susanna Gray-Jones is a Cambridge-educated recruitment strategist and owner of Chime Search - a Rec2Rec executive search firm. She believes that it is simply not worth being a mediocre recruiter. She is on a mission to improve the likelihood of success in the career of a recruiter to ensure that they have all the tools to be A-grade, first-class recruiters.
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The Business focused podcast to help you achieve clarity, improve your mindset and succeed in ways that you didn't even know possible. Susanna Gray-Jones is a Cambridge-educated recruitment strategist and owner of Chime Search - a Rec2Rec executive search firm. She believes that it is simply not worth being a mediocre recruiter. She is on a mission to improve the likelihood of success in the career of a recruiter to ensure that they have all the tools to be A-grade, first-class recruiters.
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Why Success Isn’t Safe: Lucas on the Power of Taking the Leap
The Counter Offer
39 minutes 16 seconds
3 months ago
Why Success Isn’t Safe: Lucas on the Power of Taking the Leap

What if the thing you’re afraid to do is exactly what you were meant for?


In this soul-stirring episode of The Counter Offer, host Tiarna McCormack sits down with longtime friend and global adventurer Lucas Chesterton. From Melbourne’s property scene to running a multi-country travel business, Lucas shares the true story behind Indy Escapes—how he risked it all, lost nearly everything, and still rebuilt a business rooted in purpose, connection, and exploration.


They discuss travel as transformation, the brutal reality of entrepreneurship, and why failure isn’t the opposite of success… it’s part of the journey.


Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments

  • The Risk That Changed Everything - Lucas opens up about walking away from a stable property career to launch his travel startup and why fear was his compass.

  • Losing Everything During COVID - With all trips cancelled, Lucas refunded clients out of pocket—plunging himself into debt. His radical decision reveals the ethics behind Indy Escapes.

  • The Five-Year Plan That Saved His Business - Lucas shares the pivotal advice that helped him rebuild post-pandemic with a clear and consistent roadmap.

  • Why Values Drive Growth - From contribution to connection, Lucas explains how aligning personal values with business decisions shaped Indy Escapes’ identity.

    • Building a Business Without a Business Degree - Tiarna unpacks how Lucas scaled a global brand without formal training—just curiosity, consistency, and community.
    • Hiring His First Full-Time Team Member - Lucas reflects on leadership, loyalty, and what it takes to scale without compromising authenticity.

  • Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode

    • “I wanted more than just a 9-to-5 and a nice car. I wanted meaning.” – Lucas Chesterton

    • “Discomfort is often the invitation to do something brave.” – Tiarna McCormack

    • “Not everything that grows is meant to scale.” – Lucas Chesterton

    • “Travel is the tool. Community is the point.” – Lucas Chesterton

    • “It’s not about how many countries you’ve been to—it’s about how you felt in each one.” – Lucas Chesterton

    • “The freedom wasn’t just quitting the job. It was choosing what I cared about.” – Lucas Chesterton

    • “You can fail and still be proud of what you’re building.” – Tiarna McCormack

    • “Group travel can be transformative when the right people are in the room.” – Lucas Chesterton

    • “We’re not here to impress. We’re here to connect.” – Lucas Chesterton

    • “Purpose doesn’t show up fully formed. You create it by taking one step.” – Tiarna McCormack


    About Lucas

    Lucas Chesterton, founder of Indy Escapes, turned the challenges of solo travel into a thriving community for adventurers tired of waiting on others. After visiting 130+ countries, he created a way for like-minded travelers to connect, explore, and experience the world together without sacrificing spontaneity or meaning.


    Connect with Lucas Chesterton:

    • Instagram
    • Website


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    The Counter Offer
    The Business focused podcast to help you achieve clarity, improve your mindset and succeed in ways that you didn't even know possible. Susanna Gray-Jones is a Cambridge-educated recruitment strategist and owner of Chime Search - a Rec2Rec executive search firm. She believes that it is simply not worth being a mediocre recruiter. She is on a mission to improve the likelihood of success in the career of a recruiter to ensure that they have all the tools to be A-grade, first-class recruiters.