A slight departure from cymbals & drums today, I talk to 17 year-old Lauren Dunleavy and her mother Ingrid Bates.
Lauren is heavily involved in the world of motorsport, currently forging a successful career as a track racer, so we talk about entering the flow state and how to develop instinct for both car and track.
Her mother Ingrid is a wine producer here in the UK and works closely with Lauren, helping her with sponsorship, planning and playing annoying Taylor Swift songs.
In the past I've taught both of them drums, so there is some talk of music and instruments in there!