In this episode of The Don’t Knock It Podcast, I am joined by my sister in Christ, Marleya Shai, for a wonderful conversation about worship.

Before Marleya drew her first breath, her story was already confronting one of Christianity’s boldest claims: God intervenes, God heals, God saves. Her mother—unsaved, fearful, facing a Down Syndrome diagnosis for her unborn daughter—turned to Jesus as a last resort and the Lord answered in a way she couldn’t ignore.

This episode is about the biblical truth that God’s mercy precedes our understanding, invites repentance, and reorients a whole family’s future.

Marleya shares how God used early exposure to church, a miracle surrounding her birth, and years of worship ministry to plant seeds of faith long before she truly understood the gospel. But as she grew, the gap between appearing spiritually mature and actually knowing the Lord became undeniable — especially once she entered a youth ministry where her reputation no longer matched her reality.

What unfolds in this conversation is a testimony of conviction, humility, and rediscovery. Marleya describes the moment a youth pastor’s simple questions exposed years of superficial Christianity. That “never again” embarrassment initially drove her to pursue Bible knowledge for the wrong reasons — reputation, approval, self-confidence — until the Lord dismantled that pride and replaced it with genuine love for His Word.

She also shares how God formed her through discernment, trials, loss, fasting, worship, and community, slowly shifting her from “performing” ministry to delighting in the God she serves. Today, as a worship leader, she talks plainly about the temptations of spotlight, the dangers of pride, her battles with perfectionism, and why worship must always be a response to who God is, not a platform for who we want to be.

This is a conversation about:

• ​Growing up in church but not yet in Christ
• ​The danger of knowing all the right answers without a right heart
• ​How God uses embarrassment, challenge, and discipleship to expose false confidence
• ​Why worship is fundamentally a response to God’s character and creativity
• ​The ongoing fight against pride and platform in worship ministry
• ​How trials, community, and the peace of God awakened genuine faith
• ​The lifelong difference between knowing about God and knowing Him

If you’ve ever struggled with the gap between reputation and reality, head knowledge and heart transformation, ministry performance and personal devotion, this episode will hit close to home — and offer hope.

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