In this episode, Barclay and Ian are joined by long-time industry figure Martin McKenna to reflect on four decades of service management. From the early days of handwritten call logs to today’s AI-powered tools, Martin shares how the industry has changed and what has stayed the same.

The conversation covers his journey from building help desks to founding conferences, the impact of the pandemic on live events, and his latest project using AI to help organisations find the right ITSM tools in minutes. There are also lighter moments involving naked mole rats, Scrabble, and why some things in ITSM never really change.