In this episode, we sit down with 7-time Mr. Olympia Phil Heath, joined by our good friend Matt Christman, for a conversation that goes far deeper than sets, reps, or supplementation.

This isn’t your typical bodybuilding interview.
No drug talk.
Barely any training or nutrition.
Just real, unfiltered insight from a man who’s lived at the top and learned through the process of winning—and losing.

We wanted a different kind of conversation with Phil. One built on the kind of perspective you only earn through time, setbacks, and self-awareness.

If you’re looking for a raw, thoughtful, and unexpected look into the mind of a champion—this one’s for you.