High performers are taught to keep score: more tasks, more wins, more doing. But what if better leadership, and a better life, starts with being? In this conversation, Ben is joined by Tom Feegel (CEO & co-founder of BEOND) to unpack the shift from “human doing” to “human being” and how that mindset transforms executives, teams, and clinical care.
They explore practical ways leaders can model presence and vulnerability without sacrificing excellence; why “science, but not more than compassion” guides BEOND’s care model; and how simple daily rituals (like a 10-minute gratitude meditation) create trust, connection, and durable performance. Tom also shares how psychedelic-assisted therapy with ibogaine is used in a clinically rigorous setting to support healing and growth—and what leaders can learn from that approach even outside healthcare.
In this episode:
Human Doing → Human Being: redefining success beyond scorekeeping
Confidence, fear, and the permission to be vulnerable as an executive
Rituals that anchor culture: meditation, gratitude, and shared storytelling
“Science—but not more than compassion”: data, protocols, and humanity working together
Ben’s “tree-hugging break,” flow states, and finding meaning in the work
A simple relationship challenge: swap phones at dinner to be fully present
Note: This episode discusses psychedelic-assisted therapy in a professional, medically supervised context. It is not medical advice.
Find out more at: https://beondibogaine.com/
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High performers are taught to keep score: more tasks, more wins, more doing. But what if better leadership, and a better life, starts with being? In this conversation, Ben is joined by Tom Feegel (CEO & co-founder of BEOND) to unpack the shift from “human doing” to “human being” and how that mindset transforms executives, teams, and clinical care.
They explore practical ways leaders can model presence and vulnerability without sacrificing excellence; why “science, but not more than compassion” guides BEOND’s care model; and how simple daily rituals (like a 10-minute gratitude meditation) create trust, connection, and durable performance. Tom also shares how psychedelic-assisted therapy with ibogaine is used in a clinically rigorous setting to support healing and growth—and what leaders can learn from that approach even outside healthcare.
In this episode:
Human Doing → Human Being: redefining success beyond scorekeeping
Confidence, fear, and the permission to be vulnerable as an executive
Rituals that anchor culture: meditation, gratitude, and shared storytelling
“Science—but not more than compassion”: data, protocols, and humanity working together
Ben’s “tree-hugging break,” flow states, and finding meaning in the work
A simple relationship challenge: swap phones at dinner to be fully present
Note: This episode discusses psychedelic-assisted therapy in a professional, medically supervised context. It is not medical advice.
Find out more at: https://beondibogaine.com/
Malissa Clark is an associate professor of industrial/organizational (I-O) psychology at the University of Georgia, where she has been on faculty since 2013. Currently, Clark serves as associate head of the department of psychology and director of the Healthy Work Lab. She is a recognized expert on the topics of workaholism, overwork, burnout, and employee well-being.
Clark earned her Ph.D. in I-O psychology from Wayne State University, and her B.A. in organizational studies from the University of Michigan. She has received awards for her writing and mentoring, and her work has been funded by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) and the Society for Industrial and Organizational Psychology (SIOP). In 2023, Clark was named a Fellow of SIOP, a status that recognizes unusual and outstanding contributions that have an important impact on I-O psychology.
Her first book, Never Not Working: Why the Always-On Culture Is Bad for Business—and How to Fix It, launches in February 2024. Clark’s work has been published in premier outlets such as Journal of Applied Psychology, Journal of Management, and Journal of Organizational Behavior. She serves on the editorial boards of Journal of Applied Psychology and Personnel Psychology and as action editor for Journal of Business and Psychology and Occupational Health Science. Clark is passionate about bridging the scientist-practitioner gap and advocating for healthier workplaces and worker well-being through her speaking and consulting. Her work has been featured on various podcasts and in outlets such as Time, US News and World Report, New York Times, and The Atlantic. She currently serves as a member of the NIOSH Healthy Work Design and Well-Being Council. In her free time, she enjoys spending time with her family and traveling.
Find out more at: https://www.malissaclark.com/
The Executive Podcast
High performers are taught to keep score: more tasks, more wins, more doing. But what if better leadership, and a better life, starts with being? In this conversation, Ben is joined by Tom Feegel (CEO & co-founder of BEOND) to unpack the shift from “human doing” to “human being” and how that mindset transforms executives, teams, and clinical care.
They explore practical ways leaders can model presence and vulnerability without sacrificing excellence; why “science, but not more than compassion” guides BEOND’s care model; and how simple daily rituals (like a 10-minute gratitude meditation) create trust, connection, and durable performance. Tom also shares how psychedelic-assisted therapy with ibogaine is used in a clinically rigorous setting to support healing and growth—and what leaders can learn from that approach even outside healthcare.
In this episode:
Human Doing → Human Being: redefining success beyond scorekeeping
Confidence, fear, and the permission to be vulnerable as an executive
Rituals that anchor culture: meditation, gratitude, and shared storytelling
“Science—but not more than compassion”: data, protocols, and humanity working together
Ben’s “tree-hugging break,” flow states, and finding meaning in the work
A simple relationship challenge: swap phones at dinner to be fully present
Note: This episode discusses psychedelic-assisted therapy in a professional, medically supervised context. It is not medical advice.
Find out more at: https://beondibogaine.com/
