High performers are taught to keep score: more tasks, more wins, more doing. But what if better leadership, and a better life, starts with being? In this conversation, Ben is joined by Tom Feegel (CEO & co-founder of BEOND) to unpack the shift from “human doing” to “human being” and how that mindset transforms executives, teams, and clinical care. They explore practical ways leaders can model presence and vulnerability without sacrificing excellence; why “science, but not more than compassion” guides BEOND’s care model; and how simple daily rituals (like a 10-minute gratitude meditation) create trust, connection, and durable performance. Tom also shares how psychedelic-assisted therapy with ibogaine is used in a clinically rigorous setting to support healing and growth—and what leaders can learn from that approach even outside healthcare. In this episode: Human Doing → Human Being: redefining success beyond scorekeeping Confidence, fear, and the permission to be vulnerable as an executive Rituals that anchor culture: meditation, gratitude, and shared storytelling “Science—but not more than compassion”: data, protocols, and humanity working together Ben’s “tree-hugging break,” flow states, and finding meaning in the work A simple relationship challenge: swap phones at dinner to be fully present Note: This episode discusses psychedelic-assisted therapy in a professional, medically supervised context. It is not medical advice. Find out more at: https://beondibogaine.com/