In this episode of The Flame, host Bob Raynor sits down with Kris Klein—Copywriter, Creative Director, and Content Strategist—to talk candidly about the emotional and professional rollercoaster of being laid off. Kris opens up about the grief, identity loss, and quiet inner battles that come with career disruption, and how he’s using his craft—writing—as a way to process, connect, and begin again.

They discuss the recent article Kris wrote comparing unemployment to a child’s irrational fear of mummies, and how reframing fear, embracing vulnerability, and supporting others can reignite creativity and purpose.