On this episode of The Gi Pot, Kaz and Rach sit down with the enigmatic Dean Lister — ADCC champion, leg lock pioneer, and the guy who made your knee pop before it was cool.

From his turbulent upbringing in Panama to the gritty proving grounds of early MMA, Dean walks us through a life shaped by struggle, sharpened by pressure, and sealed with ankle-breaking submissions. We dig into the old-school days of BJJ before Instagram fame and YouTube instructionals, his impact on modern leg game philosophy (hint: Danaher was listening), and what it means to coach in a culture obsessed with winning but allergic to suffering.

Raw, real, and unfiltered — this isn’t just a catch-up. It’s a reckoning with the man who taught the world to “why ignore 50% of the human body?