In this conversation, Brian and Sebastian explore the significance of St. Michael within angelic cosmology, the historical importance of the Feast of St. Michael, and the works of Wolfgang Smith that bridge ancient wisdom with modern science. They discuss the Neoplatonic tradition's relevance to Catholic thought, the impact of modernity on spiritual practices, and the risks associated with astral projection. The dialogue emphasises the profound relationship between Our Lady and St. Michael, advocating for a revival of traditional practices in the Church.