The GovMaker Podcast is an interview series that uncovers the how of public sector innovation. Join co-hosts Nick Scott and Jason Pearman as they engage with leaders who have been entrusted with significant mandates to reform and transform public services.
In a field crowded with frameworks and toolkits, the podcast focuses on the craft required to deliver change inside government.
Each episode features inspiring stories and practical insights that surface the patterns, skills, and strategies that enable meaningful transformation in public services.
If you are a practitioner, leader, or funder passionate about achieving better outcomes through government, this podcast is your guide.
The GovMaker Podcast is an interview series that uncovers the how of public sector innovation. Join co-hosts Nick Scott and Jason Pearman as they engage with leaders who have been entrusted with significant mandates to reform and transform public services.
In a field crowded with frameworks and toolkits, the podcast focuses on the craft required to deliver change inside government.
Each episode features inspiring stories and practical insights that surface the patterns, skills, and strategies that enable meaningful transformation in public services.
If you are a practitioner, leader, or funder passionate about achieving better outcomes through government, this podcast is your guide.

Join Nicholas Scott as he interviews Dr. Christian Bason, a global leader in public sector innovation and design. Christian shares his journey and highlights the relevance of human-centered design in government. They discuss the clash between design principles and bureaucracy, emphasizing the need for collaboration. The conversation also explores the evolution of innovation, from evidence-based policy to mission-oriented innovation. Discover how missions bring together public sector, market, and academic actors to tackle complex challenges and shape long-term outcomes. Gain valuable insights into public sector innovation and the role of government in driving societal change.