Welcome to The Halopod-cast. Episode four of The Inner & Outer Leader explores what it truly means to learn, unlearn, and relearn in a world that’s constantly shifting. Sean (ex-Halogen staff and educator) and Ella (youth host) unpack the idea of learnability—why asking questions feels hard, how pride can get in the way, and what it takes to learn, unlearn, and relearn with humility. They explore everyday examples of growth, the role of intrinsic motivation (and even “aura farming”), and how youths can stay genuinely curious amidst constant noise. A practical, honest conversation on lifelong learning and approaching growth with agility and openness. Episode Highlights Sean and Ella unpack what learnability looks like in a fast-changing world—from staying humble when we’re proven wrong, to understanding why asking questions can feel intimidating for young people. Through everyday examples of learning, unlearning, and relearning, they explore intrinsic motivation, “aura farming,” and how youths can stay genuinely curious without relying on hype. They also examine what holds us back, like clinging to things we used to be good at, and how tools like AI can support openness and lifelong learning. This episode invites listeners to approach learning with humility, curiosity, and a willingness to grow. Timestamps 00:00 Preview 00:36 Intro 02:37 Am I too sure of myself 03:35 Are you worried about how people view you? 08:19 I don’t have engineer friends 11:40 Lifelong learning impacts employability 17:08 Can I continue eating egg yolks? 22:42 The Beatles and Frank Sinatra 25:43 AI’s just not my cup of tea 32:54 The disruptor of our generation Are you learning to grow — or just staying where you’re comfortable? ⭐️ Rate us 5 stars and tell us in the comments below! 🔔 Subscribe to get notified when the next episode drops. 📬 For collaborations or partnerships: solutions@halogen.sg 💻 Visit to learn more about the podcast: https://bit.ly/theinnerandouterleader-ep4-applepodcasts