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The Jon & Marc Podcast
Jon & Marc
34 episodes
2 days ago
Legal growth insights from Jon, Marc, and the industry's top tier legal & marketing professionals. Two veteran legal marketers, Jon Robinson and Marc Rioux, dive into the business of law, mass torts, and the future of plaintiff-side firms. From marketing strategy and technology to candid conversations with top trial lawyers, marketers, and industry leaders, this podcast unpacks what’s really driving growth and change in the legal world. Honest, practical, and a little irreverent—perfect for attorneys, marketers, and anyone curious about where the business of law is headed.
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Legal growth insights from Jon, Marc, and the industry's top tier legal & marketing professionals. Two veteran legal marketers, Jon Robinson and Marc Rioux, dive into the business of law, mass torts, and the future of plaintiff-side firms. From marketing strategy and technology to candid conversations with top trial lawyers, marketers, and industry leaders, this podcast unpacks what’s really driving growth and change in the legal world. Honest, practical, and a little irreverent—perfect for attorneys, marketers, and anyone curious about where the business of law is headed.
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Confessions of a Law Firm CMO: What Really Drives Growth
The Jon & Marc Podcast
28 minutes 48 seconds
2 days ago
Confessions of a Law Firm CMO: What Really Drives Growth

Behind every fast-growing law firm is a strategy most people never see.


In this episode, Marc sits down with Trudy Emlaw, former CMO of Mike Morse Law Firm and current CMO of George Sink Injury Lawyers, to break down the playbook behind data-driven growth, brand building, and long-term community investment.


Discover how the country’s most strategic legal marketers think about growth, measure success, and turn brand trust into signed cases.


What you’ll learn in this episode:

  • Why brand matters more than “leads” in 2025
  • The data every firm should track before scaling
  • How community events generate long-term case volume
  • When to build an in-house team vs. hire an agency
  • How to balance data with creative instinct
  • Why real marketing requires human touch in an AI world


If you want to understand how elite PI firms grow sustainably, predictably, and with real loyalty, this conversation is the roadmap.


————————— Contents of this video —————————  

00:00 – Introducing Trudy Emlaw

01:04 – Data-Driven Marketing: Lessons Learned

03:58 – Balancing Data and Creativity in Marketing

06:04 – The Evolution of Trudy’s Role at Mike Morse Law Firm

09:15 – In-House vs. Agency Marketing: Finding the Right Balance

11:57 – Creative Marketing: Thinking Outside the Box

13:25 – How to Make an Effective TV Ad

14:18 – Community Engagement as a Marketing Strategy

19:11 – Investing in Community for Long-Term Success

21:06 – Branding vs. Direct Response Marketing

25:23 – The Future of Marketing: Personalization and Automation

The Jon & Marc Podcast
Legal growth insights from Jon, Marc, and the industry's top tier legal & marketing professionals. Two veteran legal marketers, Jon Robinson and Marc Rioux, dive into the business of law, mass torts, and the future of plaintiff-side firms. From marketing strategy and technology to candid conversations with top trial lawyers, marketers, and industry leaders, this podcast unpacks what’s really driving growth and change in the legal world. Honest, practical, and a little irreverent—perfect for attorneys, marketers, and anyone curious about where the business of law is headed.