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The Jon and Marc Podcast
Jon & Marc
30 episodes
1 week ago
Legal growth insights from Jon, Marc, and the industry's top tier legal & marketing professionals. Two veteran legal marketers, Jon Robinson and Marc Rioux, dive into the business of law, mass torts, and the future of plaintiff-side firms. From marketing strategy and technology to candid conversations with top trial lawyers, marketers, and industry leaders, this podcast unpacks what’s really driving growth and change in the legal world. Honest, practical, and a little irreverent—perfect for attorneys, marketers, and anyone curious about where the business of law is headed.
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Legal growth insights from Jon, Marc, and the industry's top tier legal & marketing professionals. Two veteran legal marketers, Jon Robinson and Marc Rioux, dive into the business of law, mass torts, and the future of plaintiff-side firms. From marketing strategy and technology to candid conversations with top trial lawyers, marketers, and industry leaders, this podcast unpacks what’s really driving growth and change in the legal world. Honest, practical, and a little irreverent—perfect for attorneys, marketers, and anyone curious about where the business of law is headed.
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SEO in 2025: Why Everything Changed (And What Law Firms Must Do Now)
The Jon and Marc Podcast
47 minutes 51 seconds
3 weeks ago
SEO in 2025: Why Everything Changed (And What Law Firms Must Do Now)

SEO isn’t dead, but it’s completely different. 


In 2025, AI is deciding which law firms clients see first.


In this episode, Jon Robinson and Marc Rioux break down how Google Gemini, ChatGPT, and changing search behaviors are rewriting the SEO playbook for law firms. They explain what’s really changed, what’s working now, and what firms need to do to stay visible as AI reshapes discovery, reputation, and trust online.


Tune in and learn:

✅ Why branded pages and firm reputation now matter more than chasing keywords

✅ How to see when AI tools are recommending or linking to your firm

✅ Why “conversion over clicks” is the new SEO mantra

✅ How short-form content and video boost both rankings and trust

✅ What “content chunking” means (and why AI loves it)

✅ Why quality mentions now outweigh backlink volume


If your law firm’s SEO results aren’t what they used to be, this conversation will show you exactly why, and what to do next.


————————— Contents of this video —————————  

00:00 – Introduction

01:32 – How AI Changed How People Search for Law Firms

03:57 – Google’s AI Overviews & Gemini Take Over Search

07:57 – Branded Pages: Shaping How AI Describes Your Firm

09:52 – Using AI Prompts to Find Weak Spots in Your Brand

13:11 – The Death of Direct Response as a Primary Strategy

16:52 – Why Traffic Is Down… but Conversions Are Up

19:34 – Video’s New Role in SEO & AI Answers

22:22 – How Video Builds Trust & Improves Rankings

24:02 – Story Pages & The Rise of Digital Authority

27:56 – Law Firms Must Partner in Content Creation (No More “Set It and Forget It”)

30:18 – The End of SEO Shortcuts: AI Sees the Truth

31:20 – Content Chunking: Site Structure AI Loves

32:27 – Tracking LLM Traffic in GA4

34:53 – The Ranking Metrics You Can Stop Obsessing Over

37:01 – AI Visibility Tests: What We Learned from 38 People Prompting

41:52 – Link Building That Actually Matters in 2025

45:51 – Mindset Shift: Earn Trust, Then Visibility

46:57 – Final Thoughts + What to Do Next

The Jon and Marc Podcast
Legal growth insights from Jon, Marc, and the industry's top tier legal & marketing professionals. Two veteran legal marketers, Jon Robinson and Marc Rioux, dive into the business of law, mass torts, and the future of plaintiff-side firms. From marketing strategy and technology to candid conversations with top trial lawyers, marketers, and industry leaders, this podcast unpacks what’s really driving growth and change in the legal world. Honest, practical, and a little irreverent—perfect for attorneys, marketers, and anyone curious about where the business of law is headed.