The Loop is a Journalism Value Project podcast, brought to you by Reference, a self-organized network of 26 European independent news outlets, hosted by Arena for Journalism.

We are interviewing the members of this network about key challenges for them, ranging from funding and business models, to community engagement and organizational structures, as we explore what success and sustainability looks like for European independent media today.

In this episode we talk to Ximena Villagrán, Chief Operating Officer of Maldita, about HR management in an ever-growing organization. Maldita is a Spanish outlet that grew from a fact-checking Twitter account into a big media outlet that covers many areas. It fights disinformation through journalism, technology, education and new narratives.