In this episode, Brian and BrianJames McMahon, founder of Church Well Co., explore the complexities of discipleship, community, and the human experience of pain and suffering. We discuss the importance of human connection in spiritual growth, the different ways individuals experience Jesus, and the necessity of vulnerability and attachment in relationships. Our conversation emphasizes the need for a holistic approach to faith that includes both divine and human elements, ultimately aiming to foster a deeper understanding of God through community engagement.