In this week's episode of “Cultural Catalysts,” Kris Vallotton sits down with Banning Liebscher, founder of Jesus Culture, and Gabe Valenzuela, pastor at Bethel Church, for a candid conversation about how the fivefold ministry functions in real church leadership. These three leaders, who have known each other for many years, explore the dynamic relationship between apostolic, prophetic, and pastoral gifts within the body of Christ. With refreshing honesty, they discuss how each office brings unique perspectives that are essential for building healthy church cultures, and share personal stories of their journey from misunderstanding to deeply valuing each other's gifts. Join us as they pull back the curtain on Bethel's leadership transition, revealing the beautiful yet challenging process of fathers making room for the next generation to build. Whether you're a church leader or simply interested in healthy spiritual community, this conversation offers invaluable wisdom on how different leadership gifts can work together to create environments where people truly thrive. Pre-Order Kris’ New Book Just Stand Here: https://www.krisvallotton.com/book-details/just-stand Connect with Kris Vallotton: Website: https://www.krisvallotton.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kvministries/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kvministries/ X: https://x.com/kvministries Additional Resources by Kris Vallotton: https://shop.bethel.com/collections/kris-vallotton About Kris Vallotton: Kris Vallotton is the Senior Associate Leader of Bethel Church, Redding, and is the Co-Founder of Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry (BSSM) and Spiritual Intelligence Institute. He is also the Founder and President of Moral Revolution and a sought-after international conference speaker. Kris and his wife, Kathy, have trained, developed, and pastored prophetic teams and supernatural schools all over the world.