The Long Game is a weekly national security podcast hosted by Jake Sullivan, President Biden’s National Security Advisor, and Jon Finer, his Principal Deputy—senior aides who sat in on the classified Presidential Daily Brief each morning and translated raw intelligence into policy advice. Each week, Jake and Jon will pull back the curtain on how power really works helping you make sense of the national security stories unfolding today.
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The Long Game is a weekly national security podcast hosted by Jake Sullivan, President Biden’s National Security Advisor, and Jon Finer, his Principal Deputy—senior aides who sat in on the classified Presidential Daily Brief each morning and translated raw intelligence into policy advice. Each week, Jake and Jon will pull back the curtain on how power really works helping you make sense of the national security stories unfolding today.
Part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.
In this episode, Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer cover:
- Who gained what after Trump’s meeting with Saudi Crown Prince MBS?
- How does the corruption scandal inside Zelensky’s government intersects with a new U.S. push for a Ukraine peace deal?
- Tabletop: the risks of re-orienting the national-security apparatus to immigration enforcement.
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Show notes and a transcript of the episode are available here.
References and Supplemental Readings:
- “Disrupting the first reported AI-orchestrated cyber espionage campaign” Anthropic Report, 11/13/25.
- “The Risky Movement to Make America Nuclear Again,” Michael Riley in Bloomberg News, 10/30/25.
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The Long Game with Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer
The Long Game is a weekly national security podcast hosted by Jake Sullivan, President Biden’s National Security Advisor, and Jon Finer, his Principal Deputy—senior aides who sat in on the classified Presidential Daily Brief each morning and translated raw intelligence into policy advice. Each week, Jake and Jon will pull back the curtain on how power really works helping you make sense of the national security stories unfolding today.
Part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.
