Summary

Pietro Gagliano, founder of Transitional Forms, discusses the future of creative AI and the shift towards outcome-based software. He talks about the challenges of defining and naming the new paradigm of real-time interactive generative media. The conversation also touches on the nostalgia for the early days of AI hallucinations and the excitement of seeing AI tools evolve. The hosts explore the idea of building agents rather than tools and the potential for multiple careers in the future. They discuss the importance of storytelling and shaping a positive narrative around AI advancements. The conversation explores the concept of affordances in design and the evolution of interfaces. They discuss the transition from cluttered interfaces to minimalist ones, using Google as an example. They also touch on the original prompt in Google and the idea of a new Google that can handle various tasks. The conversation delves into the importance of observing other people's behavior and the need for discoverability in interfaces. They also discuss the potential of AI-generated interfaces and the concept of computational irreducibility. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the role of physical spaces and community in the creative process.

Keywords

creative AI, outcome-based software, generative media, AI hallucinations, multiple careers, storytelling, affordances, design, interfaces, Google, prompt, discoverability, AI-generated interfaces, computational irreducibility, physical spaces, community

Takeaways

The future of creative AI is moving towards outcome-based software, where the focus is on achieving specific outcomes rather than following predefined workflows.

There is a nostalgia for the early days of AI hallucinations, when AI was more experimental and unpredictable.

The concept of building agents rather than tools is gaining traction, where AI systems are responsible for specific tasks and outcomes.

The future may offer opportunities for individuals to have multiple careers, as AI tools support and enhance different creative roles.

Storytelling and shaping a positive narrative around AI advancements are crucial for embracing the potential of AI in creative fields. The importance of affordances in design and the need for interfaces to convey what can be done

The transition from cluttered interfaces to minimalist ones, using Google as an example

The potential of AI-generated interfaces and the challenge of conveying affordances

The role of physical spaces and community in the creative process

Sound Bites

"I missed the days where AI would hallucinate more than it does right now."

"The future for our children is more tarnished than ever."

"The careers of the future may involve multiple roles and a combination of skills."

"It's like staring at a blank page"

"Google came out with boom, just that. Power move."

"The internet, search the web using Google. They worked for months on that."

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

01:44 Building a Real-Time TV Platform

05:52 The Challenges of AI Hallucination

07:34 The Shift to Interface-less Software

16:35 The Frustrations of Current Workflows

21:58 The Dark Side of the Future

27:22 Outcome-Based Mindset in Software

30:08 Building Agents Instead of Tools

33:04 Nostalgia for the Past and Future

38:53 Designing Interfaces for an 'Everything Machine'

44:04 The Challenge of Conveying Affordances

47:49 Living in a Simulation

50:48 Building a Simulation Making Machine

53:06 Generative UI and the Need for Familiar Interfaces

57:19 The Importance of Collaboration and Community

01:07:13 Creating Spaces for Collaboration and Brainstorming