In this episode clip, Grammy-winning songwriter Theron Thomas dives into one of the biggest truths in today’s music industry: the entire business is built on the backs of songwriters, yet they’re still the last ones to get paid.

Theron breaks down the real economics behind the hits that turned artists like Rihanna, Jay-Z, and Kanye West into global moguls, and why the people who wrote those records are still fighting for fair publishing, royalties, and ownership.

We get into the science of hit songwriting, the math and structure behind songs that travel, and the mindset required to create consistently at a high level. Theron also speaks on the fear of success he sees in so many new artists, and why some creatives get uncomfortable when their work actually starts to break.

Ruiz and Theron discuss the imbalance between master points and publishing, the ethics of artist–songwriter relationships, and why the industry has conditioned creators to accept less than they deserve. This is an honest look at the challenges songwriters face, from exploitation to lack of leverage, and why systemic change is long overdue.

If you’re an artist, songwriter, manager, producer, or music executive, this is essential listening, a candid breakdown of the industry from one of the most important pens of our era.

Simply put, a conversation like this doesn't come cheap.

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