Northern Rocks gym director, Sarah Hay, chats about taking things day by day. Whether facing challenges, or building motivation, it's about making those first steps.  Trigger Warning: We discuss infant loss and stillbirth in this conversation.  Part two of our conversation with Sarah delves into her motherhood journey. Her decision to have children wasn't straight forward, Sarah worried that her driven and independent personality wouldn't align with the ideals of being a mother.  Sarah shares her experience of losing their first baby at 23 weeks. The impact the loss made on her, and how she navigates her grief.  We also discuss the demands of juggling two young children, owning a business, and still carving out time to pursue what gives you joy. Huge thanks to our sponsors for supporting this episode and series 5 of the podcast Urban Climb and Climbing Anchors Buy some FujFuj SO CUTE Buy an Chalktopus also SO CUTE Check out the awesome Boulderfest COMP You can follow Sarah on instagram @sarahhay.climbing Visit Northern Rocks in Auckland northernrocks.co.nz Listen to Blak Matters Podcast with Teela Reid and MC Content Warning: infrequent strong language Disclaimer: Content, commentary, and opinions shared on the Mum's Gone Climbing podcast are for informational purposes only. They are not a substitute for medical and/or health advice from a professional, and should not be substituted for care based on the facts/circumstances of your individual situation.