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The Piar Podcast - Interviews with Global PR & Comms leaders
Tan Sukhera
4 episodes
4 hours ago

The Piar Podcast features some of the most brilliant minds in Public Relations & Communications around the world, as well as a few Authors, Thinkers & Strategists from adjacent industries like: Behavioral Science, Marketing Analytics, Data Science, Philosophy & Mathematics.

What the podcast promises? Thought provoking ideas, questions & discussions. Topics and subject matter that elevates the Public Relations & Communications professional, and designed to give the listener a valuable perspective on becoming more strategic.

Front and center are tackling unique & complex business challenges, applying frameworks, methodologies, tools & techniques from other industries to the PR & Comms context, and helping Communicators navigate the AI Age while building confidence & trust with high-priority stakeholders along the way.

Whether you need to earn the respect and admiration of your team, executive & C-suite leadership, clients, or customers. Listening to the interviews from The Piar Podcast sets you apart from the crowd, should you enact, expand, and investigate the ideas discussed in our programming.

Heard a thought provoking take, concept, contrarian view? Double click by taking initiative to learn more about the subject using Generative AI, Connecting with our host & speakers on LinkedIn, or visiting www.piar.co for more details, information, and free resources.

The Piar Podcast is hosted by Tan Sukhera, CEO & Co-Founder of Piar. A company that co-creates specialized learning & training experiences in the form of unique workshops. Designed to help PR & Comms navigate the AI Age by uplifting them to a far more strategic position than ever imagined.

With help from frameworks, tools & thought exercises borrowed from adjacent industries as far reaching as Epidemiology, The Scientific Method, The Philosophy Of Science, Marketing Analytics, Behavioral Science, and Advanced Assessment Techniques.

The workshops are Mission Oriented, with a real goal, decision, challenge, plan, campaign, or challenge in mind. The underlying aim is to achieve a several orders of magnitude boost in two things:

Decision Quality & Judgement Quality.

These are the underpinnings of the future PR & Comms success. With so much execution being handled by Artificial Intelligence, the humans will compete fiercely on applying these two skills to their work.

This Podcast is a humanist mission to save PR & Comms leaders from future redundancy. While we can't save everyone from what's on the horizon. Consider yourself one of us. Join the community, support, follow, share, like & comment on our posts, and nudge us along in the algorithm wherever you find your programming.

PS: We love making new friends, so don't be shy to connect with us via our website, or find Piar on LinkedIn at:

https://www.linkedin.com/company/piarco

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The Piar Podcast features some of the most brilliant minds in Public Relations & Communications around the world, as well as a few Authors, Thinkers & Strategists from adjacent industries like: Behavioral Science, Marketing Analytics, Data Science, Philosophy & Mathematics.

What the podcast promises? Thought provoking ideas, questions & discussions. Topics and subject matter that elevates the Public Relations & Communications professional, and designed to give the listener a valuable perspective on becoming more strategic.

Front and center are tackling unique & complex business challenges, applying frameworks, methodologies, tools & techniques from other industries to the PR & Comms context, and helping Communicators navigate the AI Age while building confidence & trust with high-priority stakeholders along the way.

Whether you need to earn the respect and admiration of your team, executive & C-suite leadership, clients, or customers. Listening to the interviews from The Piar Podcast sets you apart from the crowd, should you enact, expand, and investigate the ideas discussed in our programming.

Heard a thought provoking take, concept, contrarian view? Double click by taking initiative to learn more about the subject using Generative AI, Connecting with our host & speakers on LinkedIn, or visiting www.piar.co for more details, information, and free resources.

The Piar Podcast is hosted by Tan Sukhera, CEO & Co-Founder of Piar. A company that co-creates specialized learning & training experiences in the form of unique workshops. Designed to help PR & Comms navigate the AI Age by uplifting them to a far more strategic position than ever imagined.

With help from frameworks, tools & thought exercises borrowed from adjacent industries as far reaching as Epidemiology, The Scientific Method, The Philosophy Of Science, Marketing Analytics, Behavioral Science, and Advanced Assessment Techniques.

The workshops are Mission Oriented, with a real goal, decision, challenge, plan, campaign, or challenge in mind. The underlying aim is to achieve a several orders of magnitude boost in two things:

Decision Quality & Judgement Quality.

These are the underpinnings of the future PR & Comms success. With so much execution being handled by Artificial Intelligence, the humans will compete fiercely on applying these two skills to their work.

This Podcast is a humanist mission to save PR & Comms leaders from future redundancy. While we can't save everyone from what's on the horizon. Consider yourself one of us. Join the community, support, follow, share, like & comment on our posts, and nudge us along in the algorithm wherever you find your programming.

PS: We love making new friends, so don't be shy to connect with us via our website, or find Piar on LinkedIn at:

https://www.linkedin.com/company/piarco

Always Think About Thinking ©

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Frank Buckler: How The PR & Comms Holy Grail Is Actually A Math Problem
The Piar Podcast - Interviews with Global PR & Comms leaders
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Frank Buckler: How The PR & Comms Holy Grail Is Actually A Math Problem

"Many may simply not want to learn the truth of what's happening in the PR and comms world." With that warning, host Tan Sukhera opens one of the most consequential conversations in The Piar Podcast series—a deep dive into why correlation is not causation, and how causal AI is solving the measurement problem that has plagued PR and communications for decades.

Dr. Frank Buckler is an author, researcher, and CEO of SUPRA whose work is built on a simple idea: growth comes from understanding what truly drives success, not from copying generic best practices. With a background spanning marketing, engineering, management consulting, and corporate leadership, he's helped some of the world's largest organizations solve problems that big agencies and big consulting couldn't. He began researching AI in 1994, driven by one question: why do people buy? His PhD work developed a causal AI methodology that remains SUPRA's foundation today—evidence first, informed by knowledge, not assumption.

What You'll Learn:

Why Causality Matters – In business, PR, and communications, we're driving actions. Actions that work build on truth—not facts, but the hidden mechanisms between action and outcomes. Frank uses powerful analogies: scanning a computer's circuit board shows where electrons flow, but not what the processor does. Scanning the brain shows activity, but not how thinking works. "You cannot measure causality. You can only infer it."

The Complexity Problem – Technology is complicated but not complex. Complex problems have many drivers that interact unpredictably, with effects that emerge at unknown times. Social science lags behind technology precisely because human behavior is exponentially more complex than engineering problems.

The Lazy Why Trap – Business leaders invest enormous sums mapping business performance but weirdly accept the first answer to "why" things happen. As Rory Sutherland calls it, "the lazy why." Frank shares devastating examples of spurious correlations that cost companies millions.

The Lottery Company Revelation – Everyone believed older people were the target audience because older people play more lottery. Causal AI revealed the opposite: younger people are more likely to play when all else is equal. The real drivers are habituation and winning experiences that accumulate over time. Time correlates with age, but age doesn't cause lottery playing. The same pattern appeared with charitable donations.

Marketing Mix Modeling Failures – Traditional models create false confidence by showing correlations between spending and sales. But they miss the mechanics. Without understanding true causality, companies optimize for the wrong things.

Counterfactual Reasoning – Causal AI builds an "inner mechanics machine" of PR and communications. Once built, you can simulate scenarios that never happened in reality—war gaming future outcomes, predicting impacts of investment changes, testing campaign components before launch. Like a weather forecaster narrowing a hurricane's path, causal AI constrains possibilities based on true mechanisms.

The Kitchen Sink Confession – Tan admits his own past failures: "I used to layer earned media coverage on top of sales data, add HR data, business performance data, hoping to prove causation. But I was just creating spurious correlation. There's a time lag to impact. Unless I test it, I wouldn't know it."

What This Means for PR Leaders – The holy grail of PR measurement is being found. This changes everything: career pathing, strategic counsel, trust and confidence in the boardroom. As execution gets relegated to AI, human leaders must develop decision-making, critical thinking, and problem-solving skills to interpret results, communicate findings, and inspire action.

The Piar Podcast - Interviews with Global PR & Comms leaders

The Piar Podcast features some of the most brilliant minds in Public Relations & Communications around the world, as well as a few Authors, Thinkers & Strategists from adjacent industries like: Behavioral Science, Marketing Analytics, Data Science, Philosophy & Mathematics.

What the podcast promises? Thought provoking ideas, questions & discussions. Topics and subject matter that elevates the Public Relations & Communications professional, and designed to give the listener a valuable perspective on becoming more strategic.

Front and center are tackling unique & complex business challenges, applying frameworks, methodologies, tools & techniques from other industries to the PR & Comms context, and helping Communicators navigate the AI Age while building confidence & trust with high-priority stakeholders along the way.

Whether you need to earn the respect and admiration of your team, executive & C-suite leadership, clients, or customers. Listening to the interviews from The Piar Podcast sets you apart from the crowd, should you enact, expand, and investigate the ideas discussed in our programming.

Heard a thought provoking take, concept, contrarian view? Double click by taking initiative to learn more about the subject using Generative AI, Connecting with our host & speakers on LinkedIn, or visiting www.piar.co for more details, information, and free resources.

The Piar Podcast is hosted by Tan Sukhera, CEO & Co-Founder of Piar. A company that co-creates specialized learning & training experiences in the form of unique workshops. Designed to help PR & Comms navigate the AI Age by uplifting them to a far more strategic position than ever imagined.

With help from frameworks, tools & thought exercises borrowed from adjacent industries as far reaching as Epidemiology, The Scientific Method, The Philosophy Of Science, Marketing Analytics, Behavioral Science, and Advanced Assessment Techniques.

The workshops are Mission Oriented, with a real goal, decision, challenge, plan, campaign, or challenge in mind. The underlying aim is to achieve a several orders of magnitude boost in two things:

Decision Quality & Judgement Quality.

These are the underpinnings of the future PR & Comms success. With so much execution being handled by Artificial Intelligence, the humans will compete fiercely on applying these two skills to their work.

This Podcast is a humanist mission to save PR & Comms leaders from future redundancy. While we can't save everyone from what's on the horizon. Consider yourself one of us. Join the community, support, follow, share, like & comment on our posts, and nudge us along in the algorithm wherever you find your programming.

PS: We love making new friends, so don't be shy to connect with us via our website, or find Piar on LinkedIn at:

https://www.linkedin.com/company/piarco

Always Think About Thinking ©