Gemma Rose is joined by Whetū Campbell, Jackson Lacy and Helen Anderson to discuss philanthropy in Aotearoa New Zealand. They look to the past, reflect on the present, and share their dreams for the future. This episode is a journey back to the roots of philanthropy in Aotearoa, to the philosophical realm of what New Zealand society could look like without the need for philanthropy, and ends on practical tips for small changes philanthropic organisations could take today to get to a better tomorrow.