Ali MacFarlane and Emma Stark dive into a no-holds-barred conversation about the power of choosing worship—especially in pain, grief, and spiritual fatigue. This raw and prophetic episode calls worship leaders to maturity, urgency, and obedience. From laughing about cheese in the Netherlands to confronting emotional passivity on Sunday mornings, this episode is a fiery wake-up call to set your face like flint and worship with everything—even when it hurts.