In this episode of Real Math at Business, Alena Bennett engages in a deep conversation with Stacey Ellis Fisher, CEO of ClevrCopy, about the intersection of business, leadership, and personal growth. They explore the importance of reflection and intentional learning as they approach 2026, the challenges of navigating advanced business roles, and the significance of building a strong advisory board. The discussion also delves into the nuances of selling a business, the role of data in marketing and copywriting, and the balance between creativity and commercial focus. Ultimately, they emphasise the need for trust, a culture of performance, and the Catalyst Equation as a framework for growth.To reach out to Stacey: https://www.clevrcopy.com/https://www.linkedin.com/in/staceyellisfisher/https://www.instagram.com/staceyellisfisher/?hl=enThe Real Math of Business with Alena Bennett is a podcast where we look beyond the numbers in business; where people serve people, and the maths just works.Chapters00:00 Thought Provoking Question of the week05:58 Stacey and Alena's Friendship + Navigating Business Relationships08:33 The Business Landscape: Selling and Valuation11:21 The Emotional Journey of Pitching14:14 Building a Strong Advisory Board17:02 Selling the Business: Transitioning Perspectives19:52 Data-Driven Narratives in Business22:52 Understanding Customer Needs Through Data24:20 Understanding Customer Pain Points28:54 The Journey from Creativity to Data-Driven Marketing31:39 Becoming Commercial: The Shift in Mindset35:04 Building a Flexible and Efficient Workplace Culture38:43 The Importance of Trust and Performance in Teams42:17 Delivering Tough Feedback with Compassion46:31 Connecting with Clients: The Art of Relationship Building54:44 Listener Question