This conversation delves into the concept of intergenerational ministry and the evolving nature of leadership within the church. Tammy Preston shares her journey and insights from her PhD research, emphasizing the importance of creating inclusive environments where all voices are heard. The discussion contrasts traditional siloed church structures with more collaborative, circle leadership models that foster community and belonging. The conversation highlights the need for leaders to embrace vulnerability, humility, and a servant-hearted approach, drawing inspiration from Jesus's model of leadership.   Whether your church is already exploring intergenerational ministry or you are new to the idea, this conversation challenges default leadership narratives and offers practical reflections for leading communities that look more like Jesus. Keywords intergenerational ministry, leadership, church growth, community, belonging, discipleship, collaboration, church leadership, Jesus model, church dynamics   Takeaways Intergenerational ministry fosters deeper connections and learning. Leadership in church should reflect Jesus's model of servant leadership. Community and belonging are essential for spiritual growth. Traditional church structures often hinder intergenerational engagement. Circle leadership promotes inclusivity and collaboration. Size of the church can impact the sense of belonging. Leaders need to unlearn traditional hierarchical models. Creating safe environments is crucial for open dialogue. Discipleship involves more than just knowledge; it's about relationships. Embracing diversity within the church enriches the community experience. Sound Bites 'Size matters in community.' 'We can do this differently.' Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Intergenerational Ministry 03:54 The Challenge of Change in Church Practices 06:29 Understanding Leadership in Intergenerational Contexts 10:11 Exploring Leadership Styles in the Church 22:55 The Spectrum of Leadership Approaches 30:35 The Dance of Leadership 33:46 Vision and Mission in Leadership 36:21 Belonging and Community Voice 41:12 Circle Leadership vs. Traditional Models 45:34 The Impact of Size on Community 47:41 Intergenerational Dynamics in Leadership 53:29 The Role of Servant Leadership 01:03:41 Future Directions and Resources 01:05:24 Introduction to Intergenerational Ministry 01:05:49 Exploring Resources for Church Leaders   Show Notes:   Roots articles on intergenerational ministry, including Tammy's article: https://www.rootsontheweb.com/worship-and-learning-support/all-age-support/effective-intergenerational-leadership https://www.rootsontheweb.com/i-am-looking-for/resources-for-intergenerational-church Intergenerate Australia/New Zealand links https://www.intergenerate.com.au/ https://www.intergenerate.com.au/podcast Tammy's website: https://www.tammypreston.com.au/engaging-with-tammy