What does it take to lead a room full of artists? How do creative leaders inspire and guide? In this episode of The Struggling Artist – Creative Resilience, I sit down with Andy Packer, an award-winning director of theatre, music theatre, and opera. Together, we explore Andy’s artistic journey, uncover surprising sources of motivation as a goanna, and even dive into the curious magic behind the word “ointment.” Join us for an insightful, entertaining conversation about leadership, creativity, and the resilience it takes to thrive in the arts.