In this conversation, theologian J. Kameron Carter discusses the black experience of a structurally anti-black world; the meaning of belonging and communion; how race factors in America's struggle for belonging to each other; the difference between black misery and white melancholy; and the presumption of comfort and alleviation of suffering that whiteness assumes. He also covers atonement theology; the erroneous logic of false ownership; and the unkillable, vibrant life of Jesus the slave.