Episode 6 has arrived | Jason & Jamie Heaslip discuss Leinster's defeat to Saracens and why there's no need to push the panic button | Jacob Stockdale's defence and the magic of Cheslin Kolbe | BJ Botha on his new coaching role, his plans for the future and how Munster and Ulster are feeling after a disappointing few weeks | Rugby's financial woes and what the game needs to do to survive | Rugby vs the Media | And much more. | Be sure to subscribe and send any questions to upandunderpod@rugbylad.com