Sir Charles Godfrey's expert panel on bovine TB (bTB) recently updated the government on the latest evidence pertaining to the epidemic. Defra is expected to publish a new strategy next year setting out how it plans to eradicate the disease in England by 2038. Is eradication by 2038 still feasible? What has to change to enable the deadline to be hit? In this episode Godfray, together with vet and Cambridge epidemiologist James Wood, explain why the endemic status of bTB should not lead to a mindset of 'living with it' and why there is still cause for hope amid the misery of bTB.