This week we talk to my friend Lisa about Man at the Helm by Nina Stibbe. If you love talking about the darkest parts of humanity with a light and wry sense of humor, then you will love this book.  

This was recorded while we were both in the middle of evening dinner prep, so you are lucky to listen in..... 

We are now on Apple Podcasts!!!!! Yippe! 

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