Divya and Kahran discuss externalizing motivation and particularly externalizing parts of the hard parts of the creative process, and speak of embodied versus cognitive thinking. And the difference between finding resonance and liking something.

Mentions include: the book I'm Very Into You, which is correspondence between two artists, Kathy Acker and McKenzie Wark, the early 2010s TED Talk by Elizabeth Gilbert and Plato's allegory of the cave.