COP30 should be raising hopes.  

In this upbeat conversation, Sarah Mukherjee, CEO of the Institute of Sustainability and Environmental Professionals, explains why pursuing sustainability creates a boon for businesses. Sustainability is not about restriction. It is about adaptation, innovation, and growth.  

“Less than 2% say their sustainability budgets have decreased,” Sarah tells TTU. 
“If you switch the lights off when you leave the office, you’re not only saving carbon. You’re saving money.” 

With 21,000 members worldwide, Sarah shares real data. It shows how businesses are actively investing in sustainability because it makes sense. She and Nik explore how to reframe the narrative from doom to opportunity. Then how small, practical changes are achieving big impact.  

🎧 Take a look at more of our episodes: thinkunthink.org/podcast 
📩 Get in touch: contact@thinkunthink.org