Phillip and I have a educational leadership background which I'm sure you notice especially as we talked Reimagining Leadership, Inclusion, and Wellbeing, Divisiveness and Empowering Diverse Voices and Perspectives.Tune in as we explore the need for effective leadership and the influence individuals can have on shaping the future. We highlighted the importance of leaders being inclusive and not presuming to have all the answers. Phillip expressed regret over the polarization and vilification that occurred during the referendum period in Australia, particularly regarding the role and voice of First Nations Australians. We also discussed the concept of leadership, with Phillip suggesting a shift from the traditional 'silverback' metaphor to a new narrative. According to Phillip, the role of a leader should be to help frame questions and enable solutions in collaboration with the community, rather than being the dominant figure who imposes solutions. This new approach would require a different ecosystem and environment as this new model of leadership is necessary to address complex issues such as climate change, wealth distribution, and access to justice.The changing attitudes towards personal well-being and professional success post covid shows a growing trend of individuals who believe they have something to offer and are willing to take risks to achieve their goals. Additionally, we are observing a shift towards seeking out spiritual communities and a desire to connect with the right people for influence. We also covered the importance of empowering diverse voices, particularly those of young people, and the value of having a range of perspectives and experiences represented. Phillip shared his leadership style, which emphasizes openness to a variety of viewpoints and emotional reasoning in decision-making. We acknowledged the challenges and potential risks of this approach but agreed on the importance of hearing and considering all voices. I am sure you will find some interesting points and views here form one of Australia's finest educators. If you have enjoyed this Thriving conversation all around leadership and wellness, share with your connections and in your networks. Connect with Phillip: LI: linkedin.com/in/phillip-heath-amEmail: phillip_heath@barker.nsw.edu.auConnect with Carrie: LI: linkedin.com/in/carriebenedetURL: carriebenedet.com (Company)Email: carolinebenedet2@gmail.com