Toot or Boot brings you unfiltered conversations about work — straight from HR insiders who aren’t afraid to tell the truth. With a rotating crew of progressive HR leaders, we break down the latest news and trends to show what’s really happening and why it matters for your job. Whether you’re in HR or just trying to survive your 9-to-5, expect real talk, practical advice, and the occasional laugh to get you through the chaos of modern work.
To find out more, check out tootorboot.com
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Toot or Boot brings you unfiltered conversations about work — straight from HR insiders who aren’t afraid to tell the truth. With a rotating crew of progressive HR leaders, we break down the latest news and trends to show what’s really happening and why it matters for your job. Whether you’re in HR or just trying to survive your 9-to-5, expect real talk, practical advice, and the occasional laugh to get you through the chaos of modern work.
To find out more, check out tootorboot.com
Work shouldn’t be the worst part of your week — but for too many people, it still is.
In this episode of Toot or Boot, Stacey Nordwall talks with Madison Butler — author of Let Them See You — about what it really means to show up as yourself at work, even when systems weren’t built for you. Together, they unpack authenticity, burnout, boundaries, and what happens when companies say they value “culture fit” but really mean “sameness.”
Madison shares the story that sparked her journey toward radical authenticity — from code-switching and corporate conformity to refusing to straighten her hair for anyone again — and how that moment changed everything. She and Stacey get candid about navigating fear-based leadership, detaching self-worth from productivity, and finding joy when the world (and the workplace) keeps serving chaos.
It’s real talk about identity, healing, and humanity at work — the messy, necessary kind that actually makes things better.
Key Takeaways:
Authenticity isn’t about performance — it’s about liberation.
“Culture fit” is just code for exclusion; hire for value add.
Fear-based leadership thrives because it protects power, not people.
You can’t heal burnout inside the system that caused it.
Detaching your worth from work is an act of resistance.
Boundaries are a form of self-preservation, not rebellion.
Leaders set the tone — your behavior teaches your team what’s safe.
Joy at work isn’t frivolous; it’s fuel for survival.
Therapy isn’t a luxury — it’s a leadership skill.
Creating space for real humans makes better work, period.
Timestamps:
00:00 — Why work shouldn’t send you to therapy
02:00 — How Madison learned to show up as herself
06:00 — The moment she stopped code-switching at work
10:00 — The myth of “authenticity” on social media
15:00 — Burnout, dopamine, and chasing the next thing
20:00 — Fear-based leadership and caring less (on purpose)
23:00 — Detaching identity from job titles
28:00 — Culture fit vs. value add: the truth
33:00 — Likability bias and who gets punished for honesty
36:00 — Leading with joy when everything’s on fire
Top Keywords:
authenticity at work, burnout recovery, fear-based leadership, work identity, culture fit vs value add, psychological safety, trauma-informed leadership, HR and mental health, joy at work, boundaries and burnout
Toot or Boot
Toot or Boot brings you unfiltered conversations about work — straight from HR insiders who aren’t afraid to tell the truth. With a rotating crew of progressive HR leaders, we break down the latest news and trends to show what’s really happening and why it matters for your job. Whether you’re in HR or just trying to survive your 9-to-5, expect real talk, practical advice, and the occasional laugh to get you through the chaos of modern work.
To find out more, check out tootorboot.com
