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In this essential episode, Erin and Daren sit down with Laurel Roberts-Meese, a burnout specialist who helps high achievers recognize when their drive to succeed is actually a survival response.

What We Uncovered:

🚨 The three degrees of burnout: Mild (cynicism, aches), moderate (health impacts), severe (crisis requiring 3-12 months off)

💡 Why vacations don't work: Burnout is a nervous system injury requiring intentional healing, not a two-week escape where you return more exhausted

🔥 The four-layer prevention framework: Physical health (rule out medical causes), behavioral (sleep, nutrition, movement), social (deep relationships predict health outcomes), and values alignment😢 Exercise that actually helps: Strength-building for anxiety (regulates down), cardio for depression (activates up), not all movement works the same

Actionable Strategies:

✅ For High Achievers Who Can't Stop: How to recognize when productivity is masking trauma and worth-wound patterns.

✅ For Burned Out Professionals: Why "falling behind" fears are rooted in childhood messages about earning your space and how to reframe them.

✅ For Anyone Exhausted: The difference between managing symptoms and actually healing your nervous system (spoiler: it takes months, not days).

Connect with Laurel:

Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Laurel Therapy Collective

Social Media: @laureltherapycollective - Instagram | Facebook | LinkedIn | YouTube.