Forgiveness gets complicated when the apology never comes. In this heartfelt episode, Jo reflects on her conversation with licensed therapist, Shireen Brown, about why so many people hold on to the hope of an apology that may never arrive. They explore the deep human need for validation, the difference between forgiveness and reconciliation, and why releasing pain is not the same as pretending it didn’t happen.

Jo shares why healing starts with you , your boundaries, your peace, and your decision to stop waiting for someone else to make it right. She offers real, simple steps for moving out of emotional limbo and back into your life, especially for anyone carrying heavy memories from relationships, family, or past seasons.

Listeners are invited to write a gratitude note for the lessons this year has taught them and to choose peace over proof. Jo closes with a gentle reminder that healing doesn’t require an apology, and pain doesn’t need validation to be real.

If you missed the full conversation with Shireen, go back to the last episode. It’s one of the most honest and needed discussions so far.

If you need to speak with a Licensed Therapist, reach out to Shireen Brown at www.self-caresynergy.com

And don’t forget, Jo’s new book Five Undone: Rising Beyond the Ashes is now available for pre-order on Amazon and Barnes & Noble, releasing December 30, 2025.

Protect your peace. Honor your worth. Practice gratitude. Lead boldly without apology.