In this conversation, Brian Coords and Matt Medeiros discuss the evolution of WordPress, the impact of AI on development, and the ongoing debates surrounding themes and plugins. They analyze Kevin Geary's blog post, exploring the philosophical differences in how WordPress is perceived and used by different audiences. The discussion also touches on the importance of data portability, the challenges of onboarding new users, and the future of app development with AI integration. Links WordPress Architecture Crisis by Kevin Geary - https://etchwp.com/blog/wordpress-architecture-crisis/ The WP Minute - https://thewpminute.com/ Pulse WP - https://pulsewp.cc/ Chapters 00:00 Introduction 02:14 Analyzing Kevin Geary's Blog Post 05:31 The Essence of WordPress and Its Users 09:04 The Debate on Theme Functionality and Design 11:53 Data Portability and Custom Post Types 16:43 The Future of Themes and Plugin Integration 21:48 AI's Role in Web Development 21:49 Reflections on AI Tools and Their Evolution 36:25 The Future of AI and Empowerment 44:42 The Need for User-Friendly AI Tools 48:06 Reimagining WordPress with AI 51:57 The Evolution of User Experience in Development