What actually counts as Christian leadership… and why does it fall apart so often inside the church?
In this episode, Nate and Pastor Joseph dig into the truth about leadership in the church and why so many believers end up confused, hurt, or just straight-up annoyed by how authority works in different Christian spaces. They break down what healthy spiritual leadership looks like, how influence can be used well or misused fast, and why accountability matters way more than titles or stage presence. It’s honest, funny, and a little uncomfortable in the best way possible, especially if you’ve ever wondered why leadership feels so different from church to church.
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What actually counts as Christian leadership… and why does it fall apart so often inside the church?
In this episode, Nate and Pastor Joseph dig into the truth about leadership in the church and why so many believers end up confused, hurt, or just straight-up annoyed by how authority works in different Christian spaces. They break down what healthy spiritual leadership looks like, how influence can be used well or misused fast, and why accountability matters way more than titles or stage presence. It’s honest, funny, and a little uncomfortable in the best way possible, especially if you’ve ever wondered why leadership feels so different from church to church.
If you like real talk about faith, culture, and the messy parts of church life, you’re in the right place.
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Episode 152 – Losing Our Religion: How Secularism Is Shaping the American Church
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2 months ago
Episode 152 – Losing Our Religion: How Secularism Is Shaping the American Church
Is the church evolving… or just slowly fading out?
In this episode, Nate and Pastor Joseph unpack the subtle (and not-so-subtle) ways secularism is reshaping the American church—from cultural Christianity and cringey compromises to the real reasons people are walking away. With their usual balance of sarcasm, insight, and honesty, the duo dives into what happens when tradition clashes with a society moving further from faith.
Whether you’re deconstructing, reconstructing, or just spectating, this convo will make you think (and probably laugh). Is secularism the villain… or the mirror?
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When I Heard This - Podcast
What actually counts as Christian leadership… and why does it fall apart so often inside the church?
In this episode, Nate and Pastor Joseph dig into the truth about leadership in the church and why so many believers end up confused, hurt, or just straight-up annoyed by how authority works in different Christian spaces. They break down what healthy spiritual leadership looks like, how influence can be used well or misused fast, and why accountability matters way more than titles or stage presence. It’s honest, funny, and a little uncomfortable in the best way possible, especially if you’ve ever wondered why leadership feels so different from church to church.
If you like real talk about faith, culture, and the messy parts of church life, you’re in the right place.
If you enjoyed this episode:
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